{"id":9797,"date":"2024-09-19T17:03:03","date_gmt":"2024-09-19T17:03:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/businesstriumphs.com\/index.php\/2024\/09\/19\/how-the-debate-did-and-didnt-help-harris\/"},"modified":"2024-09-19T17:03:03","modified_gmt":"2024-09-19T17:03:03","slug":"how-the-debate-did-and-didnt-help-harris","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/businesstriumphs.com\/index.php\/2024\/09\/19\/how-the-debate-did-and-didnt-help-harris\/","title":{"rendered":"How the debate did \u2014 and didn\u2019t \u2014 help Harris"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">Welcome to The Campaign Moment, your guide to the biggest moments in a 2024 election that is a sudden bonanza for Pennsylvania pollsters.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">(Did a friend forward this to you? If so, sign up here. And make sure you\u2019re subscribing to the Campaign Moment podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever else you listen.)<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wpds-c-iLVUUd wpds-c-iLVUUd-bALvEi-isCenteredLayout-false\">The big moment<\/h3>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">The first debate of the 2024 presidential campaign was perhaps the most consequential in modern history, given that it provoked President Joe Biden\u2019s ultimate withdrawal. And Democrats came out of the Sept. 10 debate hoping that was the case again, albeit in the opposite direction.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">There is no question that Vice President Kamala Harris won the debate going away. But given even that first debate didn\u2019t move the polls much right away, it was fair to ask what the true, measurable impact of the second one would be.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">Well, we\u2019ve finally got a bunch of new data to dive into \u2014 including a Washington Post poll of Pennsylvania that\u2019s part of a blitz of new polls in that state. So let\u2019s examine, with an assist from the ever-bookmarkable Post polling averages.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">1. Harris has gained. Somewhat. In some polls.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">If Democrats were hoping the race would suddenly lurch in her direction like it did in the weeks after she jumped into the race, they\u2019ll be disappointed. The shifts are almost all well within the margin of error, and some polls show no shift at all.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">Harris gained four points from the previous margins in an Economist-YouGov poll and a Yahoo-YouGov poll, three points in a national Fox News poll and Quinnipiac University poll of all-important Pennsylvania, and two points in a national New York Times-Philadelphia Inquirer-Siena College poll.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">Quinnipiac and a new Marist College poll also show Harris leading Donald Trump by five in Michigan, tying her best high-quality surveys to date there. (We don\u2019t have earlier polls from the same pollsters to directly compare.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">But meanwhile, Monmouth University, Reuters-Ipsos and ABC-Ipsos national polls all showed a one-point shift or less, as did the Times-Inquirer-Siena poll in Pennsylvania that showed Harris\u2019s lead holding at four. And even Harris\u2019s good Pennsylvania polls were tempered by others showing a closer race, including from The Post (Harris up one) and Marist College (tied). Many of the polls in which Harris gained tend to be some of the more favorable ones for Democrats.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">\u201cThis isn\u2019t malicious in any way; it\u2019s a product of the decisions they make to create their poll,\u201d Lenny Bronner, who runs The Post\u2019s polling averages, told me. \u201cBut what it means is that our polling model will discount Harris\u2019s gains in those polls a bit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">All told, Harris has either maintained her standing or gained a little ground in virtually all of the post-debate polls. So the faceoff appears to have been a net-positive for her \u2014 though far from a game changer.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">2. Harris gained more in other ways<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">All of which reinforces something I\u2019ve been saying for a long time: that this is just a hard race to shake up. We\u2019re that polarized. Not only didn\u2019t the first debate shift things instantly, but neither did Trump\u2019s criminal conviction.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">But that doesn\u2019t mean there haven\u2019t been significant shifts in other ways, beyond the horse race. And after the debate, Harris saw other encouraging signs.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">Even in some status-quo polls, for instance, her image improved. The ABC-Ipsos poll showed Harris\u2019s lead holding at six points, but it also showed voters said by double-digits that the debate improved their views of her and worsened their views of Trump.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">Other polls like The Post\u2019s showed Harris with more of an image advantage than the head-to-head numbers suggest. The Post poll showed Harris up just one point, for instance, but Pennsylvanians liked her by a three-point margin and disliked Trump by six points. An Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll of Georgia also showed Harris as more popular than Trump, despite her three-point deficit in that state.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">A YouGov poll showed Harris gained and Trump lost ground on several personal characteristics, including charisma, being calm under pressure, speaking coherently and being persuasive \u2014 even as voters didn\u2019t move much on which candidate was better on specific issues. Another YouGov poll showed her gaining eight points on the margin when it came to whether she was qualified to be president.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">And a new AP-NORC poll Thursday showed registered voters said by six points (47-41) that Harris would make a good president \u2014 even as they said by 23 points that Trump would not. That\u2019s a bigger gap than in late July.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">The polls also suggest that the debate, at the very least, gave pause to more right-leaning voters. Both the Monmouth poll and an instant post-debate CNN poll showed more of Trump\u2019s base saying the debate at least caused them to reconsider their vote.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">In other words, few voters appear to have changed their minds. But the debate appears to have made Harris more appealing and Trump somewhat less appealing, which could impact how voters assess their options moving forward.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">\u201cHow much this election is shifting is measured in inches rather than yards right now,\u201d Monmouth polling director Patrick Murray said. \u201cWe are basically at the point where turning out 10,000 extra voters in a key swing state could determine the outcome. Polling tells us the broad contours of the race but it cannot measure these types of micro shifts.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">3. Harris\u2019s path could be solidifying<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">The Michigan and Pennsylvania polls might be the most encouraging for Harris. That\u2019s because those states are so vital to her most apparent path to victory \u2014 through the North \u2014 and they suggest she\u2019s solidified her leads in them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">The batch of new polls in Pennsylvania, for instance, shows Harris: tied, up one, up three, up three, up four and up six.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">The current Washington Post polling averages show she leads by two points in Michigan and Pennsylvania. She also leads by three in Wisconsin, despite the new Quinnipiac, AARP and Marist polls each showing her leading by one.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">All three states remain very competitive. But if Harris can win them, she\u2019s probably at 270 electoral votes already.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">And to date, she\u2019s trailed in just two out of more than two dozen qualifying head-to-head polls across those three states. Both of them showed one-point Harris deficits.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wpds-c-iLVUUd wpds-c-iLVUUd-bALvEi-isCenteredLayout-false\">A telling moment on Trump\u2019s Haitian migrants misinfo<\/h3>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">It\u2019s been evident for some time that Trump\u2019s and JD Vance\u2019s elevation of baseless rumors about Haitian migrants stealing and eating pets was a rather shameless political ploy; Vance has all but acknowledged as much. Politicians are known for deliberately misleading for political effect, but by any standard this has been jarringly cynical.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">And the true scope of the cynicism and disregard for the truth came into sharp focus in a must-read Wall Street Journal story published Wednesday.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">The key new details:<\/p>\n<p><span>The day Vance first surfaced the claim on Sept. 9, his office actually reached out to Springfield\u2019s city manager to check on its veracity. City Manager Bryan Heck says he responded that it was baseless, but Vance didn\u2019t remove his X post, and the next day both Vance and Trump (at the debate) doubled down.<\/span><br \/>\n<span>Pressed for something to substantiate Vance\u2019s continued claims, a Vance spokesperson shared a police report of a woman who told police her cat might have been taken by Haitians in late August. But the Journal soon interviewed the woman, who said the cat had been found in her basement a few days later \u2014 long before Vance made the claim. The woman said she had made a point to apologize to her Haitian neighbors.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">The details reinforce how disdainful Vance and the Trump campaign have been of the truth here. We\u2019ve known for a while these were thinly sourced rumors; now we learn they were told that directly, early on. And even the supposed evidence they\u2019re now citing falls apart with some routine reporting.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">Driving home that point: Vance was pressed Wednesday on calling the Haitian immigrants \u201cillegal,\u201d despite them having been granted temporary legal status (Trump has even said he would deport them). Vance said he would keep calling them \u201cillegal aliens.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wpds-c-iLVUUd wpds-c-iLVUUd-bALvEi-isCenteredLayout-false\">A momentous stat<\/h3>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">58-31<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">That\u2019s the margin by which members of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters union said they supported endorsing Trump over Harris, according to an internal poll. But the Teamsters opted not to endorse either candidate Wednesday.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">In a way, that\u2019ll be disappointing for the Trump campaign \u2014 given that margin and given that Republicans gave Teamsters President Sean O\u2019Brien a prime speaking role at their convention in July. Trump\u2019s lead among members was also a sharp reversal from when Biden was in the race and they backed him over Trump, 44 to 36 percent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wpds-c-heFNVF wpds-c-heFNVF-iPJLV-css overrideStyles font-copy\">But the Teamsters have also endorsed Democrats in every presidential election since 2000 (the last time the union didn\u2019t endorse was 1996). So even the lack of an endorsement is a statement in Trump\u2019s long-running efforts to make headway with unions.<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"wpds-c-iLVUUd wpds-c-iLVUUd-bALvEi-isCenteredLayout-false\">Take a moment to read:<\/h3>\n<p><span>\u201cHow the Trump Campaign Ran With Rumors About Pet-Eating Migrants \u2014 After Being Told They Weren\u2019t True\u201d (Wall Street Journal)<\/span><br \/>\n<span>\u201cScarred by violence, lawmakers plan for possible \u2018mass casualty\u2019 event\u201d (Washington Post)<\/span><br \/>\n<span>\u201cSwift\u2019s endorsement of Harris spotlights young voters. They are not a monolith.\u201d (Washington Post)<\/span><br \/>\n<span>\u201cTrump campaign courts younger men to make up losses with women voters\u201d (Washington Post)<\/span><br \/>\n<span>\u201cThe staggering reach of Trump\u2019s misinformation \u2014 not just on Haitian migrants\u201d (Washington Post)<\/span><br \/>\n<span>\u201cSomething odd happened: There\u2019s a candidate Americans (sort of) like\u201d (Washington Post)<\/span><br \/>\n<span>\u201cWhat R.F.K. Jr.\u2019s Alliance With Trump Could Mean for Public Health\u201d (New York Times)<\/span><\/p>\n<div>This post appeared first on washingtonpost.com<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Welcome to The Campaign Moment, your guide to the biggest moments in a 2024 election that is a sudden bonanza for Pennsylvania pollsters. (Did a friend forward this to you? If so, sign up here. 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